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Saturday, January 21, 2017

[Pann] 'Shotacon' concepts within male idol groups?

Instiz: Male idols with shota-like concepts

"Some of them are actual kids though and are dressed for their age..."

"Eh, this seems like a stretch"

"Dream really are kids though"

"I feel like this post was just made by the fans of a currently controversial celebrity to throw everyone else under the bus with them..."

"Aside from Park Bogum, the rest of them don't look like shota concepts. They just look like young boys... no sexual implications at all."

"What's so shota about Taemin's picture???? He looks rather mature in that picture to me..."

"Only Park Bogum's gives that feel.. the rest are a stretch."

"The Dream kids are actual kids... they're wearing clothes meant for kids."

"How is the Sherlock concept shota at all?"

"There's nothing sexual about these pictures though ㅋㅋㅋㅋ just because they're wearing shorts and showing some skin doesn't make it shota ㅋㅋㅋ"

"The point of shota is a boy's image + sexual appeal... there's nothing like that in these pictures other than Park Bogum's pictures."


Pann: Why are only IU Suzy and Sulli's pictures considered controversial? Male shotacom is also an issue

1. [+582, -17] Park Bogum's pictures definitely look like shotacom

2. [+535, -42] Why is NCT in this? ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ Their average age is 16-17, it'd be weirder to dress them in more adult things like see through clothing, fishnets, and showing off their abs;;;;

3. [+298, -20] I recently saw a comment saying that male communit sites don't really seem to take lolita controversies that seriously but that goes the same for female community sites. Women don't take shotacon issues seriously either... they're too busy babying male idols while ripping apart female idols for lolicon issues... the hypocrisy...

4. [+197, -11] The thing about NCT is that they're not trying to look young, they really are young ㅋㅋㅋ imagine if they were dressed in leather jackets or suits, that'd be even weirder ㅋㅋㅋㅋ and NCT is not trying to conveny anything sexual with how they look either ㅋㅋㅋ

5. [+145, -6] Isn't NCT Dream comprised of actual children though? I think it's cute and appropriate for their age, they're still students so why should they dress sexy?

6. [+134, -2] I also think that it's unfair that the double standards against male and female celebrities exist on these issues

7. [+131, -18] I can see Park Bogum and SHINee's pictures being problematic. I remember Park Bogum's pictures were up on Pann before, not sure why it got buried ㅋㅋㅋㅋ celebrities who do these concepts should just be exiled

8. [+128, -74] SHINee's took it too far;; what's up with that


Pann: BTS shota controversy

1. [+566, -13] Their song 'I Need U' is a song of longing, not a shota song at all. It's about the pain that one feels through a break up. When they do the wave in their dance, it's to express that feeling in a sensual way. They have their eyes slightly closed to express that, it's not a type of dance you can do with your eyes wide open. There's nothing shota about their lyrics. And by the way, the school uniform look is actually a marine uniform.

2. [+545, -8] BTS mainly does songs about boys maturing into adults and how they're adults now but still yearn to chase their dreams like boys. They have lyrics like 'I want to be forever a boy' and have never once used 'boys' in a sexual context. BTS uses the concept of young boys to express youth and growth, not sex.

3. [+532, -10] If you read the bottom of 'NOW3', they have the line "for our youth with no regrets", and their entire message has always been about growing up from boys into adults and all of the concerns, emotions, and confusions that come with that process. There's nothing shota about their concept at all.

4. [+222, -0] BTS has a bigger international fandom than a Korean fandom and knowing that foreigners are way more sensitive to issues of lolicon and shotacon than Koreans are and the fact that their international fans haven't raised any issues with these concepts must mean that there aren't any shota issues with their concepts. If they really were, I'm sure they would've been exiled by the foreigners already.

5. [+116, -0] The point of shotacon is the exploitation of minors... but BTS's concept has always been about overcoming the oppression of youth and everything that comes with maturing into an adult. Why would they use shotacon as a concept?


TV: [Spoilers!!!] Goblin (Finale)

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Article: "I'll wait 200 years for you" 'Goblin' Gong Yoo ♥ Kim Go Eun's happy ending

Source: Mydaily via Naver

1. [+22,110, -147] Still can't help but feel bad for the goblin... what sin did he commit that he has to endure watching her die in the future and being alone once again ㅠㅠ

2. [+16,144, -204] Because the weather's great... because it's not... because it's decent... but all my days watching 'Goblin' were the happiest...

3. [+11,539, -278] So glad both couples were reincarnated to meet again ㅎㅎ a happy ending!!

4. [+12,066, -528] They said that it's hard to be reincarnated with the same face so how did all three get reincarnated with the same face again..

5. [+2,906, -77] Can't believe it ended like that...

6. [+3,914, -427] Am I the only one who found the ending empty...

7. [+2,478, -91] Wait a second, I'm not ready to let the drama go yet. What happened to the screentime of the last episode...? Anyway, thank you for giving me the greatest drama of my life

8. [+2,284, -61] So what's the goblin's fate? If Ji Eun Tak is born again, does he have to get another kid and get married or what?

9. [+1,888, -36] The ending really has no difference between happy and sad..

10. [+2,027, -85] Yeah.. something really felt empty about the ending ㅜㅜ

11. [+1,958, -66] Felt pretty empty after the ending

12. [+1,753, -54] Should've just ended it with Ji Eun Tak becoming a goblin so the two of them live forever as goblins..

13. [+1,618, -48] I'm left with more questions of why than feeling happy over the ending... Even if Kim Go Eun died, it would've been better to give her the powers of a goblin's bride since she did a good deed... What was the point of giving him 9 years of pain, of 30 yeras of pain... the entire drama just felt like I was living out the torture of the goblin.


Source: Nate

1. [+748, -43] It was a filling last episode... and everyone got a happy ending. Will we never find out about Dukhwa though?

2. [+621, -24] I felt that the ending was so rushed. Dukhwa wasn't even in the episode. The drama could've been so much better if it was extended to around 24 episodes. Still glad it was a happy ending.

3. [+524, -7] But the goblin's sword has already been taken out. So if the goblin's bride lives all four lives and dies, what happens to the goblin? He's alone forever?

4. [+41, -0] It's a happy ending but I'm left with nothing but sadness for the goblin who will always be left on his own to wait for everyone

5. [+33, -0] The goblin's the most unfortunate of them all ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ


Source: Nate

1. [+244, -4] This is probably the most serious work that Kim Eun Sook has ever written. I did felt that the ending was dragged about it but I loved the drama the best, moreso than 'Descendants of the Sun'. Life and death, reincarnation, the goblin and the grim reaper... even at an older age, all of these elements came together for an interesting story.

2. [+216, -6] My breath caught in my throat at how handsome Gong Yoo looked in his tux at the wedding scene

3. [+203, -6] The goblin who stays by your side, the bride who loves and remembers him, the grim reaper and the actress who got their happy ending... I'm satisfied with the ending. Sure if you nitpick at everything like the sword, the memories, the reincarnation then it's endless the questions you can come up with ㅜㅜ but it shows an important lesson that it doesn't matter how many lives you've lived already, as long as you live your best life in this moment together ㅜㅜ

4. [+21, -1] Eun Tak will die in her new life again... and she only has two more reincarnations left. The goblin will never age or die... I'm just left with so many more questions. It's a drama so I understand it has to end but the questions are distracting me so much ㅠ I feel so bad for the goblin for having to suffer for thousands for more years ㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜ

5. [+19, -2] The 14th episode felt like the last episode... today's just felt like it was dragged out. Random car accident killing Eun Tak which had no correlation to the plot... I understood the drama's message of how people live and die so every moment should be lived like it's your last... Thank you for the drama, I enjoyed it ^^


Source: Nate

1. [+795, -12] Wow, Gong Yoo looked legendary with his bangs up like that ㅋㅋ I always knew he was handsome.. but not this handsome! He looked good in his tux too :)

2. [+573, -7] Oh come on ㅠㅠ didn't even get any newlywed scenes ㅠ He waited 939 years for her but dating and marriage all took place in a year and a few months ㅠ not fair

3. [+538, -5] Ah... I feel so sad overall for all of them.. for the goblin, his bride, the grim reaper, Sunny... Is the message of the drama that that's just how life is? ㅠㅠ

4. [+69, -1] I feel like Gong Yoo's punishment is way too much for the severity of his sin. Even a serial killer wouldn't be punished like this ㅜ

5. [+33, -1] The god is too harsh on the goblin. It's just not fair! And if you think about it, the god is actually the scriptwriter so Kim Eun Sook why oh why does he have to be tortured so ㅠ He has to wait too long to be able to see her for such a short period of time... He waited all those decandes, thousands of years... Who cares if it's a happy ending when he has to wait thousands of years again after she dies? So cruel, so cruel.


Sulli and Goo Hara go bare faced for latest best friend photo

Article: "Bare faced look alikes" Goo Hara x Sulli's best friend visuals

Source: Herald Pop via Nate

1. [+579, -21] Goo Hara looks like she's some native member of a tribe

2. [+406, -20] Why are they getting uglier... even if they're trying to look ugly on purpose, other celebrities still look pretty but not them

3. [+317, -11] They look like refugees...

4. [+33, -17] Sulli's eyes look out of it, she's aging so much...

5. [+31, -0] They probably uploaded this picture thinking they look cool

6. [+29, -14] The loli friends

7. [+26, -4] Sulli has such ugly eyes

8. [+20, -0] They're trying to look so cool ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ I get what look they're trying to go for but they just look like some tribe members

9. [+16, -1] Goo Hara's getting old...

10. [+15, -0] Sulli looks so bad here ㅋㅋ the importance of eyebrows ㅋ I bet all they do when they meet up is take pictures of each other ㅋㅋ "hey, snap a pic~"

11. [+13, -0] Sulli really has nothing going for her other than her skin tone...

12. [+13, -1] Are they on drugs


Friday, January 20, 2017

CL reveals 'Goodbye' was written for Minzy

Article: [Exclusive Interview] CL, "'Goodbye' is a letter written to Gong Minzy... lyrics of tears"

Source: Ilgan Sports via Nate

1. [+404, -64] Gong Minzy didn't even know about the song until she heard it through the media, stop acting like you ever cared for her and enough with this media play ㅋㅋㅋ

2. [+404, -20] I hope Park Bom's reflecting... The other members made it this far without any big scandals but she demolished the group for her drugs. She had such a unique voice and the group overall had great songs that I enjoyed listening to when I was still in school so news of their disbandment was so sad as a former fan ㅜㅜ I hope that she's more mindful of her status as a public figure in the future

3. [+221, -18] Call her!!

4. [+36, -2] I can understand that it's a bit of an awkward situation to tell Minzy though... like, "We're going to put out a song, just the three of us, without you"... but if Yang CEO really intended this song to be a last form of fan service, he should've made sure that all four participated in it. Even if they're just a business relationship, they still spent so much time working together, it's wrong to let things end like this... ㅎ

5. [+22, -4] It's still weird to me that Minzy had no idea about the song at all... I would've at least sent her a Katalk letting her know

6. [+17, -2] Why do people believe Minzy and not CL? CL was the one who took care of her the most when she was still in 2NE1. It was always Minzy who took care of the other members and the 2NE1 fans the least. There are group fans and personal fans of every group and she only took care of her own personal fans.

7. [+13, -6] Just seems like a media play ploy to sell the song more ㅋㅋ poor Sandara being stuck in the middle

8. [+11, -3] The group failed because of Park Bom but isn't it also true that Gong Minzy was the one who broke out the calculator and left to survive on her own? I don't think she really has a right to act like a victim in this either

9. [+10, -10] ㅋㅋㅋ Ridiculous. Gong Minzy finds out about the song through the media while they act all sad like they're missing her in the music video without even giving her a chance to participate in the song ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ pretty disappointing as a former fan

10. [+8, -8] They made the song because they missed Minzy? When she doesn't even know about the song? Stop with the nonsense, do they not see what's going on?


Article: CL, "I want to reunite in 20 years like SES... have to manage our stamina"

Source: Ilgan Sports via Naver

1. [+937, -77] So sad, 2NE1's songs were always a must listen for me

2. [+734, -45] 20 years is too long, let's make it 10 years.. ㅠㅠ

3. [+830, -138] They are still one of the girl groups in our country to go down in history. Hope to see them back in 20 years with good music.

4. [+441, -43] Please keep that promise, this group's too good to just let go like this

5. [+73, -14] We'll meet again ㅠㅠ I'll be waiting ㅠㅠ 2NE1 forever ㅠㅠ

6. [+39, -4] Love you 2NE1, you can take as long as you need, I'll be waiting right here until the day we meet again

7. [+50, -9] Not one 2NE1 song to waste... a pity that it ends like this

8. [+55, -12] 'Goodbye'~ such a sad song


Wendy reflects on her heavier past and struggles with eating today

Article: Wendy, "I used to be fat in the past... I feel nervous when I eat a certain amount still"

Source: X Sports News via Nate

1. [+354, -19] People who were originally fat or chubby feel nervous about eating even after losing the weight. When I was in high school, I was short and pretty fat but managed to lose 17 kg and have maintained it so far but I'm starting to lose grip on it now that I'm married and getting older ㅠㅠ

2. [+259, -24] She's just fine and pretty the way she is right now!!!! So please be happy for the time that you are eating ㅠㅠ unni you're too thin right now ㅠ

3. [+157, -6] I feel bad for her, she feels so stressed every time she eats. I lost a lot of weight too and was really obsessive over even a gram of weight gain in case it meant that I was going to go back to my past days... it's hard to eat as much as you want. Even now, I struggle mentally with eating even when I want to and I'm sure my stomach is pretty ruined too ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ

4. [+22, -2] Then please leave the mukbang show... I really don't get why she's being like this on a mukbang show

5. [+19, -20] Then why is she on a show that makes you eat...;;;

6. [+15, -5] She's so pretty~ Wendy and Black Pink's Rose are really my eye and ear candy lately~

7. [+14, -1] The rest of us suffer from some sort of diet obsession but it's probably worse for her since she can't just be average but super thin...

8. [+12, -2] I seriously don't understand why she's on a cooking and eating show when she's so obsessed with her eating habits...;;;;

9. [+11, -4] Wendy always seems like such a nice and considerate person on TV so it makes me sad to see her like this. She looked fine even when she was at her highest weight~ cute too ㅎㅎ don't feel too stressed over your weight gain and eat lots and exercise to maintain your health ^^

10. [+11, -1] I was so surprised at how much weight she lost for her last comeback